Thursday, December 08, 2005

Where's The Outrage?

Don't ask me why, but today I somehow ended up at the God Hates Fags website. From the title of the site, you can imagine what the content's like. It's rather hateful and very depressing, especially the pictures with small children. This picture here in particular really made me sad. It's four girls who are about 14 years old wearing God Hates Fags shirts. But what really got to me was the fact that they were smiling. And then I realize, that's all they know; that's how they were raised. They think it's right and that's why they're smiling. I sometimes forget that there's some...out there...people in the world, but that was a rather poignant reminder.

Which brings me to my point: Where's the outrage among the Christian church? Why don't you guys denounce these people? Whenever you hear something about Muslim terrorists, the first thing you hear from Muslim leaders is that the terrorists aren't representative of Islam. Why do I not hear this from Christian churches or groups whenever this shit happens? Oh sure, in our Bible studies we used to denounce them, but that's denunciation in private. I sometimes think Christian churches don't publicly denounce these groups and people because they secretly (or not so secretly) agree with them. They may not agree with the methods, but they agree with the message. Which makes me very sad because it sometimes becomes very hard to not consider the extremists representative of the entire group. So, if you'd like to help me have a renewed faith in the rational religious person, you can do your part by publicly denouncing the extremists (or counter-protesting if you ever feel adventurous and motivated).

Oh, and on a similar but even more ridiculous matter: there is no War on Christmas waged by Teh Evil Godless Atheists. You aren't being persecuted; get over it


Anonymous Will said...

From the Catechism of the Catholic Church:

(2358) "The number of men and women who have deep-seated homosexual tendencies is not negligible. This inclination...constitutes for most of them a trial. They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided. These persons are called to fulfill God's will in their lives and, if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord's Cross the difficulties they may encounter from their condition."

Obviously wearing shirts that say "God hates fags" is not "accepting them with respect, compassion, and sensitivity" I would say that the Catholic Church does condemn and denounce such discrimination.

The people in charge of the website and t-shirts definitely aren't Catholic (and I personally wouldn't even consider them Christian)...but the point is, publicly denouncing them wouldn't really solve anything, because from a Christian perspective, they don't really represent Christianity (which isn't unified).

It would be absurd to associate those people with the Catholic Church, unlike (for instance) the women who ordain themselves as "Catholic priestesses" and threaten to ordain other women. Those people cause confusion about what Catholics really believe...and BAM. They're publicly denounced (and excommunicated, where applicable).

My guess is, if the "God hates Fags" people started associating themselves with one particular group of Christians (such as a certain denomination)...they would be publicly denounced on the spot.

12/09/2005 10:57 AM  
Blogger Aaron *@ said...

They're actually based in a Baptist church in Kansas (as if I'd expect the Baptists to condemn them).
And I think denouncing them would solve something in the public's eye. You know the Catechism of the Catholic Church; a lot of people (possibly most) don't and don't know that the Catholic Church officially condemns the behavior. Telling people this fact wouldn't hurt. Would it cause them to stop doing what they're doing? No, they'd ignore it because they believe you're not a Christian more fervently than you don't think they are. But it would still be nice to hear a religious figure on TV who wasn't some crazy extremist.

12/09/2005 2:37 PM  
Blogger Luke said...

I think the reason you don't see moral, true Christians on television denouncing this activity is simple: what would get better TV ratings? Controversy or Sound Christian doctrine? The networks probably would be very hesitant to air anything where Christians teach non-Christians what they really believe.

Personally, I think God does love even homosexuals, although the Bible is clear that homosexuals have no place in God's kingdom. He does love them, as we should as well, and wants them to be with him in heaven, but as we well know, that is not enough for all homosexuals to convert. We could easily apply the tired cliche: Love the sinner, hate the sin. This is what is missing in the Homo-denouncers's faith. They don't have love in their hearts. They are just angry people that look in the Bible for a verse that condemns homos and go after them with that verse on their swords.

12/09/2005 6:11 PM  
Blogger Aaron *@ said...

You don't have to teach doctrine necessarily. Something as simple as saying, "These guys are full of shit" with regard to idiots like this group, Jerry Falwell, and Pat Robertson would be perfectly acceptable. Let's keep in mind that there are people in the media denouncing these guys; it just doesn't come from the Christian church. I'm just saying that it should. That's all. Hell, I'll abstract this thought out so it doesn't seem like I'm picking on a specific group: whenever members of a group (religous or not) says in a very vocal and extreme way something clearly and blatently contrary to the teachings or beliefs of the group as a whole, the more rational members of that group should feel an obligation to bitch slap the extremist members so that outsiders don't get the wrong idea about the group.

12/09/2005 9:09 PM  
Blogger Luke said...

I agree, I'm just saying that the reason you won't hear much from Christians is TV networks dont feel its necessary to air it. I'm not saying there are a lot of Christian groups trying to publically denounce them (I really have no idea about that), I'm just assuming that even if there were, there's a good chance they wouldn't be aired on TV or the newspaper. You can hear public denouncing of these people @ Christian schools and churches, so it's not like we aren't denouncing them, I think the problem is finding a nation-wide outlet.

12/10/2005 8:43 AM  

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